Game theory on eating at a party with an Indian host
***Small note: India has diverse geographic regions that differ greatly in customs and culture. I use the word “Indian” as a convenience. I am more accurately describing my experience with Americans of Indian heritage and my understanding of the regional culture in Mumbai (the state of Maharashtra).***
I enjoy going to parties at my Indian friends’ houses. The food is amazing, and the hospitality is even better. The hosts are so generous that they don’t mind if you overeat the food. Heck, even if you don’t want to eat more, they will generously serve you more food. This was great when I was a kid. It’s not so great any more.
Somewhere the Indian culture of generosity has morphed into a game where the host “wins” by getting you to overeat. If it sounds weird, I liken it to how a good host in America usually gets guests to over drink a bit so every one has fun. And if you think I’m exaggerating about how Indian hosts like you to overeat, check out another person with practically the same experience.
In general, my goal at these parties is to eat well but not stuff myself. I also want to be a good guest; this means I cannot waste food and I have to convince the host that I’ve eaten a lot.
I’ve gone through the game several times. I’ll explain how I used to fail but I now have a somewhat winning strategy.
A few years ago, I used to take a lot on my plate in the first serving. I was confident that I could talk my way out of more food. I would say that I was really full, and that I would not eat more. I would threaten that if the host put more on my plate, I would surely not eat the food. But then more food was put on my plate. Since it’s unacceptable to waste food, I was stuck stuffing myself. Presh 0, Host 1.
So started to change my strategy. I reduced my first serving to a medium-size. What I didn’t figure is that the host was well aware of how little I ate. When the host was servings seconds, I was given more to compensate for my smaller first serving. Again, I could not waste food so I had to stuff myself. Presh 0, Host 1.
After failing many times, I now use a different strategy. I first pile on a sampling of every food item so I can demonstrate I’m eating every thing. I’m active in voicing how much I enjoy the food (so I’m a good guest) and I explain that I’ll help myself to more food. I then serve myself a medium-sized second round, and the trick here is that I eat the food very slowly. Since I am still eating, the host cannot force more food on my plate without looking intrusive. The host is better off by doing nothing. And I finally get to eat a reasonable amount. Yes! Presh 1, Host 0.
What I described above can be graphically displayed in a game tree (RSS readers click here). Each node is a placeholder for a player to choose an action. Different actions correspond to different branches of the tree. The game ends at terminal nodes with payoffs for each player. In the game tree, my actions and payoffs are colored in blue and the host’s are in orange. (Click on the picture for a bigger image).
I’ve also drawn in arrows to depict the equilibrium path for each of my first actions. For instance, if I choose “Self-serve lots of food,” the host will respond with “Serve more” and I will have to “Eat,” so I get a payoff of 0 and the host gets 1.
Notice that after a host chooses “Serve more,” I could choose “Waste Food” which gives me a -1 payoff since wasting food is bad. If I instead choose “Eat,” and stuff myself, I get a higher payoff of 0. What this means is once I’m served more food, I would definitely be better off choosing “Eat” over “Waste food.” Or saying it another way, my threat of “I’m not going to eat if you serve me” is non-credible. If I could convince the host I would choose “Waste Food” (say, if I were crazy), then my threat would become credible. For more on this topic, see my previous discussion on how you can make threats more credible.
For now, I’m on the right-most path where I eat little and slowly, and the host responds with nothing, so I win the game.
Of course, the game tree has its limitations. In a real dinner setting, the host has many more options, as do I. Nevertheless, I find it useful to stylize the problem into a game tree to see the possible paths. From the tree, it’s obvious why I was failing before and succeeding now. And should the host introduce a new action, I can draw a new tree and hypothesize what might happen so I’m one step ahead of the game.
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10 Responses to “Game theory on eating at a party with an Indian host”
Don’t forget the complicated sub-games of which dish to eat first. I can help you set up a Monte Carlo simulation to find the optimal outcome of how much to take of which dish and how quickly to eat it based on the probability you like it, will be reserved, and how quickly you will be reserved.
By Glenn on Sep 11, 2007
for clarification, reserved could probably be written “re-served,” as in, “Presh ate the nasty little vegetables first to clear them off his plate and enjoy the remaining delicious food unhindered by taste pollutants, and to his dismay was immediately reserved (re-served) a second helping.”
“Glenn drank the less good wine first, but has a hard time being miffed about be reserved (re-served) even lesser alcohol.”
Hope this helps clear up any confusion.
By Glenn on Sep 11, 2007
@Glenn: True, choosing which dish to eat first is another game in and of itself. You are dead on in the second comment how the first thing you finish is taken as an approval signal. It really doesn’t help we people who save the best for last.
By Presh on Sep 11, 2007
I like the fact that you’re subconsciously rooting for U of I with your color scheme. GO ILLINI!
By Joe P on Sep 11, 2007
@Joe: I must have picked those U of I colors since something just didn’t look right when I used my Cardinal red and white.
By Presh on Sep 11, 2007
It’s always interesting to me how analytical minds work. I, for one, would be happy to overeat Indian food – it’s my favorite kind!
And btw, I’m originally from Champaign-Urbana so I like Joe’s enthusiasm on your choice of colors
By Rebecca Thorman on Sep 12, 2007
LOL! As an Indian in India I would describe this as a perfectly accurate description of Indian hospitality where the serving of a meal and getting a guest to stuff himself is fundamental to etiquette. Even Indian kids in India go through this.
The usual ways in which this is handled are
1) Ensuring that one has some samples of all major dishes on one’s plate till the end – i.e. the “Waste food” strategy. This is often the only way out.
2) “Deflection strategy”. Older Indians often lavish praise on the host(ess) and say that younger people have bigger appetites and ask that the younger people be served more and sucker the youngsters as a result.
3) Get stuffed.
Anyway thanks for this great illustration of agame I have had to play a zillion times.
By shiv on Jan 25, 2009
As a fellow Indian, I am astounded that someone else went through the effort to break things down the same way I have. I too looked at it as a game, but never articulated it quite as well. It is basically the strategy I employ, although I will often also talk *a lot* during my first helping. My hosts will often tell me to eat and ask how the food is, whereupon I will taste a little and also compliment them, and then continue on telling a long story to whoever I am talking to.
Well done!
By Sid Savara on Mar 20, 2009
As an Indian, I am very familiar with this scenario. I normally handle the situation by taking a lot of food (of all varieties) in my first helping and then proceed to eat very slow. When my plate is close to being empty, I normally tell the hostess what my favourite dish is and say that I shouldn’t eat anymore but I can’t help but to take some more of my favourite dish. So I take a small sampling. By this time a few people have already finished eating and I am able to finish my meal with no hindrance at all.
By Suren Rastogi on Aug 31, 2009