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		<title>By: fx trading</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/03/06/did-i-wash-my-hands-how-to-manage-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-2094</link>
		<dc:creator>fx trading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks like a good job to be a risks maneger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks like a good job to be a risks maneger.</p>
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		<title>By: Presh Talwalkar</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/03/06/did-i-wash-my-hands-how-to-manage-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator>Presh Talwalkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dan&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;: You raise excellent questions about weighing the costs of expensive insurance versus taking the risk. I can&#039;t say I have an answer, but let me discuss some ideas that come to mind.

The medical examples are particularly interesting because these are practical problems we face.

A very interesting thing is that there are many preventative measures that can be taken that are less intrusive, though certainly costly.

An example: one thing I&#039;m reading about is that nutrition plays a huge role in activating disease. The book &quot;The China Study&quot; by T. Colin Campbell suggests a plant-based diet (no dairy, no meat) wards off against a variety of illnesses. Another book &quot;Dr. Dean Ornish&#039;s Program for Reversing Heart Disease&quot; suggests that a program of meditation, a well balanced low-fat vegetarian diet, and exercise can actually reverse heart disease.

For an average American, these are huge costs to take. It is socially awkward at times to be a low-fat vegetarian or vegan. But then I remember that the average American gets heart disease. Many people are unwilling to take comprehensive changes.

Your example about crossing the street is very interesting too. Years ago I virtually stopped jaywalking for the very reason of eliminating catastrophic risk. I got made fun of a lot from my friends, but words do not hurt as much as a car collision.

I read somewhere that Nassim Taleb, author of &quot;The Black Swan,&quot; was going to write an entire book about dealing with such catastrophic risk.

I&#039;m looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><em>Dan</em></b>: You raise excellent questions about weighing the costs of expensive insurance versus taking the risk. I can&#8217;t say I have an answer, but let me discuss some ideas that come to mind.</p>
<p>The medical examples are particularly interesting because these are practical problems we face.</p>
<p>A very interesting thing is that there are many preventative measures that can be taken that are less intrusive, though certainly costly.</p>
<p>An example: one thing I&#8217;m reading about is that nutrition plays a huge role in activating disease. The book &#8220;The China Study&#8221; by T. Colin Campbell suggests a plant-based diet (no dairy, no meat) wards off against a variety of illnesses. Another book &#8220;Dr. Dean Ornish&#8217;s Program for Reversing Heart Disease&#8221; suggests that a program of meditation, a well balanced low-fat vegetarian diet, and exercise can actually reverse heart disease.</p>
<p>For an average American, these are huge costs to take. It is socially awkward at times to be a low-fat vegetarian or vegan. But then I remember that the average American gets heart disease. Many people are unwilling to take comprehensive changes.</p>
<p>Your example about crossing the street is very interesting too. Years ago I virtually stopped jaywalking for the very reason of eliminating catastrophic risk. I got made fun of a lot from my friends, but words do not hurt as much as a car collision.</p>
<p>I read somewhere that Nassim Taleb, author of &#8220;The Black Swan,&#8221; was going to write an entire book about dealing with such catastrophic risk.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/03/06/did-i-wash-my-hands-how-to-manage-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this example, the cost of eliminating the risk was small -- a possibly unnecessary hand washing, costing a few minutes/gallons of water, but guaranteeing avoidance of the &#039;bad outcome&#039; (contaminated keyboard). 

What if the cost of &quot;insurance&quot; were non-trivial (e.g., handwashing were painful, or if each handwashing significantly diminished your drinkable water supply)?  At some point it becomes a better strategy to forego insurance and take the risk.  In terms of expected value this depends on the cost of the insurance, the probability of the &#039;bad event&#039; if you do vs. don&#039;t take insurance, and the cost of the &#039;bad event.&#039; 

I&#039;m particularly interested in the limit where the probability of the bad event is low, but its cost is huge -- and insurance is costly too. A practical example: generically, men/women have a ~10% chance of early death from prostate/breast cancer; &quot;insurance&quot; against this could be had (at a non-trivial cost) from preemptive prostatectomy/mastectomy.  But this would be curative, and avoid early death (at least from the cancer).

What&#039;s the right way to think about this problem?  Lets say genetic counseling tells you you have an increased chance of getting such a cancer.   You can have regular tests (incurring financial and emotional cost, not to mention some risk of missing the disease when its still curable) or the pre-emptive &#039;ectomy (which carries its own risks and diminished quality of life -- but at least you don&#039;t die).  What to do?

There are lots of risks we incur that have potentially catastrophic consequences (i.e. death, a seemingly infinite &quot;cost&quot;).  For example, we do cross the street even though the gain in getting to the other side pales in comparison with DEATH.  What&#039;s the framework for thinking about this?

P.S.  No, I&#039;m not a crazy hypochondriac!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this example, the cost of eliminating the risk was small &#8212; a possibly unnecessary hand washing, costing a few minutes/gallons of water, but guaranteeing avoidance of the &#8216;bad outcome&#8217; (contaminated keyboard). </p>
<p>What if the cost of &#8220;insurance&#8221; were non-trivial (e.g., handwashing were painful, or if each handwashing significantly diminished your drinkable water supply)?  At some point it becomes a better strategy to forego insurance and take the risk.  In terms of expected value this depends on the cost of the insurance, the probability of the &#8216;bad event&#8217; if you do vs. don&#8217;t take insurance, and the cost of the &#8216;bad event.&#8217; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m particularly interested in the limit where the probability of the bad event is low, but its cost is huge &#8212; and insurance is costly too. A practical example: generically, men/women have a ~10% chance of early death from prostate/breast cancer; &#8220;insurance&#8221; against this could be had (at a non-trivial cost) from preemptive prostatectomy/mastectomy.  But this would be curative, and avoid early death (at least from the cancer).</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the right way to think about this problem?  Lets say genetic counseling tells you you have an increased chance of getting such a cancer.   You can have regular tests (incurring financial and emotional cost, not to mention some risk of missing the disease when its still curable) or the pre-emptive &#8216;ectomy (which carries its own risks and diminished quality of life &#8212; but at least you don&#8217;t die).  What to do?</p>
<p>There are lots of risks we incur that have potentially catastrophic consequences (i.e. death, a seemingly infinite &#8220;cost&#8221;).  For example, we do cross the street even though the gain in getting to the other side pales in comparison with DEATH.  What&#8217;s the framework for thinking about this?</p>
<p>P.S.  No, I&#8217;m not a crazy hypochondriac!</p>
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		<title>By: Presh Talwalkar</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/03/06/did-i-wash-my-hands-how-to-manage-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-1123</link>
		<dc:creator>Presh Talwalkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;Vijaya&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;: Thanks! Glad you found the information useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><em>Vijaya</em></b>: Thanks! Glad you found the information useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Vijaya</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/03/06/did-i-wash-my-hands-how-to-manage-risk/comment-page-1/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Vijaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paresh.
Thx for recommending few good books.
Thx Mahesh for for Rubin&#039;s speeches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paresh.<br />
Thx for recommending few good books.<br />
Thx Mahesh for for Rubin&#8217;s speeches.</p>
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