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		<title>By: Presh Talwalkar</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2008/07/11/smart-people-simplify-simplify-simplify/comment-page-1/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>Presh Talwalkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mahesh and Jamie&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;: Thanks for sharing those interesting metrics on Nobel Laureates. I&#039;m going to save those up for party trivia ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><em>Mahesh and Jamie</em></b>: Thanks for sharing those interesting metrics on Nobel Laureates. I&#8217;m going to save those up for party trivia <img src='http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mahesh - for comparison, 

UK - population ~55milion - 114 Nobel Laureates
US - population ~250million - 304 Nobel Laureates

Per head of capita, the UK has ~2 per million, the US has ~1.1 per million. Obviously that is not a real factor in this, but I&#039;d say working life in the UK is far more relaxed than in the USA, yet we still produce more Nobel Laureates per head of capita.

In my opinion, pressure stifles creativity and invention, rather than driving it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahesh &#8211; for comparison, </p>
<p>UK &#8211; population ~55milion &#8211; 114 Nobel Laureates<br />
US &#8211; population ~250million &#8211; 304 Nobel Laureates</p>
<p>Per head of capita, the UK has ~2 per million, the US has ~1.1 per million. Obviously that is not a real factor in this, but I&#8217;d say working life in the UK is far more relaxed than in the USA, yet we still produce more Nobel Laureates per head of capita.</p>
<p>In my opinion, pressure stifles creativity and invention, rather than driving it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie
You are wrong about Nobel Laureates. Americans Rock on the number of Nobel Laureates. Americans have more Nobel prizes than UK, France, Germany, Italy and Denmark combined together. A lot of the Nobel Laureates ended up at American Universities. (Einstein, Bohr, Fermi, Hayek etc.).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_country 

Also, simplification is one of the factors that impact creativity.
A nice article can be found here.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2149673/A-Model-of-42-Models-of-Creativity-by-Richard-Tabor-Greene-20june06-pdf-for-global-distribution-FINAL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie<br />
You are wrong about Nobel Laureates. Americans Rock on the number of Nobel Laureates. Americans have more Nobel prizes than UK, France, Germany, Italy and Denmark combined together. A lot of the Nobel Laureates ended up at American Universities. (Einstein, Bohr, Fermi, Hayek etc.).<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_country" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_country</a> </p>
<p>Also, simplification is one of the factors that impact creativity.<br />
A nice article can be found here.<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/2149673/A-Model-of-42-Models-of-Creativity-by-Richard-Tabor-Greene-20june06-pdf-for-global-distribution-FINAL" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/2149673/A-Model-of-42-Models-of-Creativity-by-Richard-Tabor-Greene-20june06-pdf-for-global-distribution-FINAL</a></p>
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		<title>By: Presh Talwalkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Presh Talwalkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pankaj and Jamie&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;: My psychologist friend tells me &quot;you have really made it&quot; when people closely analyze everything you say. So I am pleased to see my comments under such scrutiny--thank you guys for elevating me to that level ;)

Yes, I concede my statement has shaky evidence. But that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s logically wrong. So here would be some of my responses:

1. Jamie points out Nobel Prize winners are not necessarily American but European. I think we should take the Nobel Prize as an indicator but not necessarily the only evidence of invention given we don&#039;t know exactly how they choose people--I understand there is controversy over the picks.

2. We can&#039;t simply look at the winners of a system. Yes, perhaps a society of relatively more pressure leads to Nobel Prize winners, but what about the losers? We would have to account for people that get discouraged from science who could have added something. I think about how medical school is a very competitive system with lots of pressures. I&#039;m not sure if we necessarily get the best doctors out of it--there are lots of good people that get discouraged.

3. My statement would be more appropriately limited to the average office worker, not the highly talented researcher/athlete that is nearing perfection but needs some pressure to get to the top. My own experience shows that pressure paralyzes rather than motivates.

Ultimately it is an individual choice. I feel highly-talented people are always under pressure to produce, and at Stanford I saw how people buckled under the pressure. I want people to see there is another path to the top of the mountain. You should never feel guilty for a simple lifestyle, which is its own reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><em>Pankaj and Jamie</em></b>: My psychologist friend tells me &#8220;you have really made it&#8221; when people closely analyze everything you say. So I am pleased to see my comments under such scrutiny&#8211;thank you guys for elevating me to that level <img src='http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, I concede my statement has shaky evidence. But that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s logically wrong. So here would be some of my responses:</p>
<p>1. Jamie points out Nobel Prize winners are not necessarily American but European. I think we should take the Nobel Prize as an indicator but not necessarily the only evidence of invention given we don&#8217;t know exactly how they choose people&#8211;I understand there is controversy over the picks.</p>
<p>2. We can&#8217;t simply look at the winners of a system. Yes, perhaps a society of relatively more pressure leads to Nobel Prize winners, but what about the losers? We would have to account for people that get discouraged from science who could have added something. I think about how medical school is a very competitive system with lots of pressures. I&#8217;m not sure if we necessarily get the best doctors out of it&#8211;there are lots of good people that get discouraged.</p>
<p>3. My statement would be more appropriately limited to the average office worker, not the highly talented researcher/athlete that is nearing perfection but needs some pressure to get to the top. My own experience shows that pressure paralyzes rather than motivates.</p>
<p>Ultimately it is an individual choice. I feel highly-talented people are always under pressure to produce, and at Stanford I saw how people buckled under the pressure. I want people to see there is another path to the top of the mountain. You should never feel guilty for a simple lifestyle, which is its own reward.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pankaj - I think your assumptions are wrong - take a look through a list of Nobel prize winners, most of them are not American. Historically Europe has produced more. New &quot;inventions&quot; and &quot;discoveries&quot; - don&#039;t agree with that either - I&#039;d suggest most technological advancement comes from a mix of North America, Japan and Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pankaj &#8211; I think your assumptions are wrong &#8211; take a look through a list of Nobel prize winners, most of them are not American. Historically Europe has produced more. New &#8220;inventions&#8221; and &#8220;discoveries&#8221; &#8211; don&#8217;t agree with that either &#8211; I&#8217;d suggest most technological advancement comes from a mix of North America, Japan and Europe.</p>
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