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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<description>I&#039;m very late to this discussion, but I wanted to comment on the question of whether a person may rationally believe in the supernatural. At the root of that question, there seems to be a bigger question—that is, what is the standard of rational beliefs? Many of you seem to be evidentialists. e.g. if a belief is to be considered rational, then show me your evidence, man! But the thesis of evidentialism is self defeating, as it does not hold up to its own demands. Where does this leave us? It would seem then, that if there is a lot of evidence for a belief, then that evidence increases the chances of the belief being a true belief, but being able to establish a proof based on evidence or falsifiability is certainly not the ONLY measure of a rational belief.

The other minds thought experiment demonstrates this principle that I&#039;m getting at well. It is very difficult to prove that other minds in the universe exist. Such a belief is not falsifiable, and what evidence can be brought to the table to prove such a belief? Consider that perhaps this sort of belief falls beyond the language in which logic is useful, and yet no one would ever consider you irrational for believing that other minds exist in the universe besides your own, and that belief is widely regarded as the default, correct belief for a person to maintain. I think that we tend to regard this belief as axiomatic, because from this assumption, many useful and logical ideas spring forth. 

Similar too, although the supernatural is something that is not falsifiable, nor can you conclusively prove that it exists through laying out the evidence, I think that a person can surely be considered rational for positing that the supernatural exists in an axiomatic sense, because as an axiom, that belief allows us to make sense of our experiences in much the same way that the belief that there are other minds allows us to make sense of our experiences.

I must apologize for explaining all of this so roughly, my brain does not begin to function at full capacity until much later in the morning. It&#039;s a very interesting question to think about—standards of rationality, if a person can be rational for believing in the supernatural, and if all of that, can you rationally believe in miracles! And this comment thread made for a nice read, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very late to this discussion, but I wanted to comment on the question of whether a person may rationally believe in the supernatural. At the root of that question, there seems to be a bigger question—that is, what is the standard of rational beliefs? Many of you seem to be evidentialists. e.g. if a belief is to be considered rational, then show me your evidence, man! But the thesis of evidentialism is self defeating, as it does not hold up to its own demands. Where does this leave us? It would seem then, that if there is a lot of evidence for a belief, then that evidence increases the chances of the belief being a true belief, but being able to establish a proof based on evidence or falsifiability is certainly not the ONLY measure of a rational belief.</p>
<p>The other minds thought experiment demonstrates this principle that I&#8217;m getting at well. It is very difficult to prove that other minds in the universe exist. Such a belief is not falsifiable, and what evidence can be brought to the table to prove such a belief? Consider that perhaps this sort of belief falls beyond the language in which logic is useful, and yet no one would ever consider you irrational for believing that other minds exist in the universe besides your own, and that belief is widely regarded as the default, correct belief for a person to maintain. I think that we tend to regard this belief as axiomatic, because from this assumption, many useful and logical ideas spring forth. </p>
<p>Similar too, although the supernatural is something that is not falsifiable, nor can you conclusively prove that it exists through laying out the evidence, I think that a person can surely be considered rational for positing that the supernatural exists in an axiomatic sense, because as an axiom, that belief allows us to make sense of our experiences in much the same way that the belief that there are other minds allows us to make sense of our experiences.</p>
<p>I must apologize for explaining all of this so roughly, my brain does not begin to function at full capacity until much later in the morning. It&#8217;s a very interesting question to think about—standards of rationality, if a person can be rational for believing in the supernatural, and if all of that, can you rationally believe in miracles! And this comment thread made for a nice read, as well.</p>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Cathy, Cathy. Cathy said: @Michael_Merrick if you believe in God (or supernatural) in advance, miracles a priori more likely eg http://j.mp/fw6N7F [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mark johnston</title>
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		<description>We have many people  here in california that have won lottery more than once.A man call  Skip in Northern california  won 15 million Saturday,cal. super- lotto;then won  270,000 in cal&#039;s. fantasy 5. He said it was a good week? He was unemployed on food stamps a the time.He feeds many  now days</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have many people  here in california that have won lottery more than once.A man call  Skip in Northern california  won 15 million Saturday,cal. super- lotto;then won  270,000 in cal&#8217;s. fantasy 5. He said it was a good week? He was unemployed on food stamps a the time.He feeds many  now days</p>
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		<title>By: mark johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark johnston</dc:creator>
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		<description>I have  witnessed  many miricles! Healings, the impossible  in every day forms daily.starting with  speaking in tounges.</description>
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		<title>By: corneliu</title>
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		<description>in my religion are  many miracle and some of them have a physical part too.This part is not really important, or at least is not important for itself.
there is one physical miracle which i have experienced and verified: the blessing of the water, I have seen the entire process, I took the water and that water is still clear and good to drink after more than 2 years, there are some other miracles with a obvious physical part you can see on Internet:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Za9-uX4b8&amp;feature=related (The miracle of the Snakes of the Theotokos which appear every year on the feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos on the Greek island Kephalonia), the holly light from Jerusalem, which happens every year at a certain date(&quot;The miraculous appearance of the Holy Fire occurs every year on Holy Saturday in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City of Jerusalem. Holy Saturday is the day before Orthodox Pascha, the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.&quot;)(http://oode.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/miracleofholylight/), which is attested from at least 1000 years(recently some Russian scientists studied the event and the result is &quot;absolute miracle&quot;, they say:http://www.spc.rs/eng/Russian_physicist_first_register_electrical_discharges_during_descent_holy_fire), the reverse of the Jordan river, this can be experienced and can be seen by anybody who goes there (miracle takes place in the Holy River Jordan on the day before Epiphany Day, during the Blessing of the waters.)(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ) (it happens twice a year at precise moments), the cloud from the tabor mountain, also happening every year, there are also to be seen the holly relics of the saints, some saints have their body preserved entirely for centuries and even more (there are to many)(notice that their bodies were not artificially preserved, they were first buried and sometimes accidentally found after centuries)(&quot;Holy relics are a clear anticipation of the transfigured body after universal resurrection. The very fact that the bodies of the saints are kept in a state of incorruptibility is a foretaste, an anticipation of their future incorruptibility after resurrection and after their full theosis, deification.&quot;)(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFKFrf0sHE&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=35882665C5368D97&amp;index=1)
the citations are from youtube because i don&#039;t speak English too good, there are many videos showing those miracles and others, but the best way is to ask yourself what a miracle, is, why god would do miracles, to study them, to see what is a false miracle and a false one, and if you want to see and touch with your one hands and souls, to go and experience the miracles, like apostle Toma. Sorry for my English</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my religion are  many miracle and some of them have a physical part too.This part is not really important, or at least is not important for itself.<br />
there is one physical miracle which i have experienced and verified: the blessing of the water, I have seen the entire process, I took the water and that water is still clear and good to drink after more than 2 years, there are some other miracles with a obvious physical part you can see on Internet:<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Za9-uX4b8&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Za9-uX4b8&#038;feature=related</a> (The miracle of the Snakes of the Theotokos which appear every year on the feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos on the Greek island Kephalonia), the holly light from Jerusalem, which happens every year at a certain date(&#8220;The miraculous appearance of the Holy Fire occurs every year on Holy Saturday in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City of Jerusalem. Holy Saturday is the day before Orthodox Pascha, the celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.&#8221;)(<a href="http://oode.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/miracleofholylight/" rel="nofollow">http://oode.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/miracleofholylight/</a>), which is attested from at least 1000 years(recently some Russian scientists studied the event and the result is &#8220;absolute miracle&#8221;, they say:<a href="http://www.spc.rs/eng/Russian_physicist_first_register_electrical_discharges_during_descent_holy_fire" rel="nofollow">http://www.spc.rs/eng/Russian_physicist_first_register_electrical_discharges_during_descent_holy_fire</a>), the reverse of the Jordan river, this can be experienced and can be seen by anybody who goes there (miracle takes place in the Holy River Jordan on the day before Epiphany Day, during the Blessing of the waters.)(<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ</a>) (it happens twice a year at precise moments), the cloud from the tabor mountain, also happening every year, there are also to be seen the holly relics of the saints, some saints have their body preserved entirely for centuries and even more (there are to many)(notice that their bodies were not artificially preserved, they were first buried and sometimes accidentally found after centuries)(&#8220;Holy relics are a clear anticipation of the transfigured body after universal resurrection. The very fact that the bodies of the saints are kept in a state of incorruptibility is a foretaste, an anticipation of their future incorruptibility after resurrection and after their full theosis, deification.&#8221;)(<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFKFrf0sHE&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=35882665C5368D97&#038;index=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFKFrf0sHE&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=35882665C5368D97&#038;index=1</a>)<br />
the citations are from youtube because i don&#8217;t speak English too good, there are many videos showing those miracles and others, but the best way is to ask yourself what a miracle, is, why god would do miracles, to study them, to see what is a false miracle and a false one, and if you want to see and touch with your one hands and souls, to go and experience the miracles, like apostle Toma. Sorry for my English</p>
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