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		<title>By: Using logic to solve a test question - Mind Your Decisions</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/08/04/how-to-negotiate-a-pay-raise-with-game-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-8502</link>
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		<description>[...] I have written before how I have used strategic thinking when hiring a plumber and also when negotiating a job raise. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Presh Talwalkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Presh Talwalkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;William Spaniel&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;: Thanks for the comment. Here are my thoughts:

0. If you have suggestions for better game theory content/videos, I will be more than happy to feature them on this site. This will reach thousands of readers and increase the content&#039;s page rank so more people can reach it. 

You can email me (presh@mindyourdecisions.com) or tweet me (http://twitter.com/preshtalwalkar), or simply leave a comment.

1. Please don&#039;t be so critical of the author. Yeah, the video is not perfect, but it is an intro, and it&#039;s done for free. I think the video creator is very open to suggestion, given that he&#039;s responded to many Youtube comments.

2. While there are technical issues to the approach, one cannot deny that he was *inspired* by game theory. This resulted in a measurable result. Applications are almost always &quot;inspired by&quot; theory, as reality is vast to capture.

3. Rubenstein bargaining is a very advanced topic. We didn&#039;t even cover it in my math-oriented game theory class at Stanford. I hope to cover it in a post, though it is taking me time to figure out a simple explanation. Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><em>William Spaniel</em></b>: Thanks for the comment. Here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>0. If you have suggestions for better game theory content/videos, I will be more than happy to feature them on this site. This will reach thousands of readers and increase the content&#8217;s page rank so more people can reach it. </p>
<p>You can email me (presh@mindyourdecisions.com) or tweet me (<a href="http://twitter.com/preshtalwalkar" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/preshtalwalkar</a>), or simply leave a comment.</p>
<p>1. Please don&#8217;t be so critical of the author. Yeah, the video is not perfect, but it is an intro, and it&#8217;s done for free. I think the video creator is very open to suggestion, given that he&#8217;s responded to many Youtube comments.</p>
<p>2. While there are technical issues to the approach, one cannot deny that he was *inspired* by game theory. This resulted in a measurable result. Applications are almost always &#8220;inspired by&#8221; theory, as reality is vast to capture.</p>
<p>3. Rubenstein bargaining is a very advanced topic. We didn&#8217;t even cover it in my math-oriented game theory class at Stanford. I hope to cover it in a post, though it is taking me time to figure out a simple explanation. Any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: William Spaniel</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/08/04/how-to-negotiate-a-pay-raise-with-game-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-5643</link>
		<dc:creator>William Spaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I thought the video was terrible for multiple reasons. Among them:

1) You don&#039;t need game theory to solve this problem. It&#039;s either a simple matter of economic &quot;rent&quot; and the market value of his job. We use game theory to solve problems that can&#039;t be solved any other way. Using it here is a waste of time and mental power.

2) He takes almost ten minutes to explain what&#039;s going on. That&#039;s terrible.

3) The strategies he describes are hopelessly ambiguous. What does it mean, exactly, to play hardball? And is playing hardball discreetly different from lowball? Clearly, this is a CONTINUUM of possible strategies, not discreet choices.

4) Thus, supposing that this game should be described game theoretically--and it shouldn&#039;t--you need some sort of bargaining or ultimatum game. Maybe Rubinstein it and see what happens. So the &quot;game&quot; he solves here doesn&#039;t even fit what he&#039;s trying to do.

Search &quot;game theory&quot; on YouTube. This is the fifth result. Another from him (also close to ten minutes) is third. The second is the scene from A Beautiful Mind that gets Nash equilibrium wrong. I have no clue what the flip the fourth is. The first is a cute clip from Numb3rs. It&#039;s a shame that curious people will find these videos instead of a proper introduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I thought the video was terrible for multiple reasons. Among them:</p>
<p>1) You don&#8217;t need game theory to solve this problem. It&#8217;s either a simple matter of economic &#8220;rent&#8221; and the market value of his job. We use game theory to solve problems that can&#8217;t be solved any other way. Using it here is a waste of time and mental power.</p>
<p>2) He takes almost ten minutes to explain what&#8217;s going on. That&#8217;s terrible.</p>
<p>3) The strategies he describes are hopelessly ambiguous. What does it mean, exactly, to play hardball? And is playing hardball discreetly different from lowball? Clearly, this is a CONTINUUM of possible strategies, not discreet choices.</p>
<p>4) Thus, supposing that this game should be described game theoretically&#8211;and it shouldn&#8217;t&#8211;you need some sort of bargaining or ultimatum game. Maybe Rubinstein it and see what happens. So the &#8220;game&#8221; he solves here doesn&#8217;t even fit what he&#8217;s trying to do.</p>
<p>Search &#8220;game theory&#8221; on YouTube. This is the fifth result. Another from him (also close to ten minutes) is third. The second is the scene from A Beautiful Mind that gets Nash equilibrium wrong. I have no clue what the flip the fourth is. The first is a cute clip from Numb3rs. It&#8217;s a shame that curious people will find these videos instead of a proper introduction.</p>
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		<title>By: Simoleon Sense &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Wisdom Roundup #40 (Links You Donâ€™t Want To Miss)</title>
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		<description>[...] Game Theory Tuesday: How to negotiate a pay raise using game theoryâ€“Via Mind Your Decisions -Â  I came across an interesting video that relates game theory to salary [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mrt</title>
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		<description>@Ben

I think we -kind of- infer that he is charging more than 250-300$/hr. I quote from above ;

&quot;the work I was doing was worth closer to about $250 per hour, in that day back in 2001.&quot;

So there is still a profit margin in the market when cost is around 250$ on a hourly basis. If we exclude the possibility of asymmetrical information and assume a competitive market, by the nature of industry, the owner should be charging more than 300$. If he is not, he is underperforming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben</p>
<p>I think we -kind of- infer that he is charging more than 250-300$/hr. I quote from above ;</p>
<p>&#8220;the work I was doing was worth closer to about $250 per hour, in that day back in 2001.&#8221;</p>
<p>So there is still a profit margin in the market when cost is around 250$ on a hourly basis. If we exclude the possibility of asymmetrical information and assume a competitive market, by the nature of industry, the owner should be charging more than 300$. If he is not, he is underperforming.</p>
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