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		<title>By: Mauricio</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/11/03/the-ultimatum-game-played-by-children/comment-page-1/#comment-13066</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauricio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 04:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The catch with rationality and game theory is,
even if people act rationally as individuals, as a group their combined actions can still be irrational. What game theory does is prove that.

What is the ultimatum game? It is a game theory model which proves that rationality can lead to unfairness and people end up getting hurt.

Rationality is overrated. This is the most important lesson game theory taught me and, sadly, most game theory articles miss this point entirely.

I wish I had William Spaniel video editing skills, so I could teach this to everyone through You Tube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The catch with rationality and game theory is,<br />
even if people act rationally as individuals, as a group their combined actions can still be irrational. What game theory does is prove that.</p>
<p>What is the ultimatum game? It is a game theory model which proves that rationality can lead to unfairness and people end up getting hurt.</p>
<p>Rationality is overrated. This is the most important lesson game theory taught me and, sadly, most game theory articles miss this point entirely.</p>
<p>I wish I had William Spaniel video editing skills, so I could teach this to everyone through You Tube.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/11/03/the-ultimatum-game-played-by-children/comment-page-1/#comment-13035</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mauricio&#039;s experiment does not seem very surprising.

My first reason for accepting the &quot;unfair&quot; offer in the high stakes game would also be a reason to make a fair offer in that game.

There is also the fact that we are dealing with people who aren&#039;t always rational, and whose motives aren&#039;t necessarily only material in nature (so even if they are completely rational, they won&#039;t necessarily try to maximize their material gains).

For those debating rationality, which is more rational: accumulating all the material wealth possible and then fretting over it&#039;s possible loss, or forgoing all unnecessary material wealth and living a peacefull contented life? I think all game theory problems I&#039;ve seen assume all rational beings would pick the first.

P.S. Sorry William Spaniel, I somehow missed that you also understand that rejecting offers has utility and can be rational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mauricio&#8217;s experiment does not seem very surprising.</p>
<p>My first reason for accepting the &#8220;unfair&#8221; offer in the high stakes game would also be a reason to make a fair offer in that game.</p>
<p>There is also the fact that we are dealing with people who aren&#8217;t always rational, and whose motives aren&#8217;t necessarily only material in nature (so even if they are completely rational, they won&#8217;t necessarily try to maximize their material gains).</p>
<p>For those debating rationality, which is more rational: accumulating all the material wealth possible and then fretting over it&#8217;s possible loss, or forgoing all unnecessary material wealth and living a peacefull contented life? I think all game theory problems I&#8217;ve seen assume all rational beings would pick the first.</p>
<p>P.S. Sorry William Spaniel, I somehow missed that you also understand that rejecting offers has utility and can be rational.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauricio</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/11/03/the-ultimatum-game-played-by-children/comment-page-1/#comment-13001</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauricio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys might want to read this:
&quot;Raising the stakes in the ultimatum game: Experimental evidence from Indonesia&quot; - http://www.econ.ku.dk/tyran/Teaching/BEecon_MA/readings_BEecon/readings%20MA_Expecon/Cameron_Indonesia_EcInquiry1999.pdf

The results show that raising the stakes does increase the acceptance of offers, but at the same time, diminishes the amount of unfair offers. 
At high stakes, fairness starts coming from the proposers.

Although the theory says at high stakes the acceptance of unfair offers should be higher, the proposers are not willing to risk losing everything to find out if it is really true.

The hardcore fairness from a few stubborn responders is powerful enough to trigger fairness from the greedy proposers. Nice huh?

Important note, the experiment was conducted in the &quot;one-shot&quot; way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys might want to read this:<br />
&#8220;Raising the stakes in the ultimatum game: Experimental evidence from Indonesia&#8221; &#8211; <a href="http://www.econ.ku.dk/tyran/Teaching/BEecon_MA/readings_BEecon/readings%20MA_Expecon/Cameron_Indonesia_EcInquiry1999.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.econ.ku.dk/tyran/Teaching/BEecon_MA/readings_BEecon/readings%20MA_Expecon/Cameron_Indonesia_EcInquiry1999.pdf</a></p>
<p>The results show that raising the stakes does increase the acceptance of offers, but at the same time, diminishes the amount of unfair offers.<br />
At high stakes, fairness starts coming from the proposers.</p>
<p>Although the theory says at high stakes the acceptance of unfair offers should be higher, the proposers are not willing to risk losing everything to find out if it is really true.</p>
<p>The hardcore fairness from a few stubborn responders is powerful enough to trigger fairness from the greedy proposers. Nice huh?</p>
<p>Important note, the experiment was conducted in the &#8220;one-shot&#8221; way.</p>
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		<title>By: William Spaniel</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/11/03/the-ultimatum-game-played-by-children/comment-page-1/#comment-12976</link>
		<dc:creator>William Spaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, for the record, I meant that independently of whether this is a one-shot or a repeated game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, for the record, I meant that independently of whether this is a one-shot or a repeated game.</p>
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		<title>By: William Spaniel</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/11/03/the-ultimatum-game-played-by-children/comment-page-1/#comment-12975</link>
		<dc:creator>William Spaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 03:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing irrational about rejecting offers. Anyone who says this--and plenty of economists do--have no understanding of rationality or expected utility theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E5eRAlOCvc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing irrational about rejecting offers. Anyone who says this&#8211;and plenty of economists do&#8211;have no understanding of rationality or expected utility theory.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E5eRAlOCvc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E5eRAlOCvc</a></p>
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