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	<title>Comments on: Charlie Brown and game theory</title>
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		<title>By: michael webster</title>
		<link>http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/11/24/charlie-brown-and-game-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-12113</link>
		<dc:creator>michael webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presh, this is one of the more fascinating games around.  

With a little work, by constructing the player&#039;s ordinal preferences, you can show that the structure of this game is very similar to a 2 person dilemma - which is certainly not obvious.

Label the outcomes, from the top node to the bottom node, O1, O2, and O3.

Then, 

C:  O2 &gt; O3 &gt; O1

And arguably,

L:  O1 &gt; O2 &gt; O3

But because of the strategic nature of the tree, the parties should end up at O3, which is dominated by O2.  This is a particular problem for reasonable agents who want to ignore the past bad history of C&#039;s.

(O3 could be justified if L&#039;s preferences were completely opposite: O1 &gt; O3 &gt; O2, but then L has little hope in convincing C that she has an unconditional preference C trying to kick the ball.)

I have done a brief review of the Peanuts cartoons on this football theme, and counted 8 different excuses Lucy comes up with after the fact to explain away her purported commitment to O2 over O3 - that she would rather see Charlie try than not try to kick the football.

One theme that continually emerged was L&#039;s insistence that C didn&#039;t trust her, and C would feel bad, try to kick the ball and be disappointed again.

L&#039;s one line I liked was &quot;Never trust a woman&#039;s tears&quot;, as her explanation of why she wasn&#039;t really committed to O2 over O3 or O2 over O1,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presh, this is one of the more fascinating games around.  </p>
<p>With a little work, by constructing the player&#8217;s ordinal preferences, you can show that the structure of this game is very similar to a 2 person dilemma &#8211; which is certainly not obvious.</p>
<p>Label the outcomes, from the top node to the bottom node, O1, O2, and O3.</p>
<p>Then, </p>
<p>C:  O2 &gt; O3 &gt; O1</p>
<p>And arguably,</p>
<p>L:  O1 &gt; O2 &gt; O3</p>
<p>But because of the strategic nature of the tree, the parties should end up at O3, which is dominated by O2.  This is a particular problem for reasonable agents who want to ignore the past bad history of C&#8217;s.</p>
<p>(O3 could be justified if L&#8217;s preferences were completely opposite: O1 &gt; O3 &gt; O2, but then L has little hope in convincing C that she has an unconditional preference C trying to kick the ball.)</p>
<p>I have done a brief review of the Peanuts cartoons on this football theme, and counted 8 different excuses Lucy comes up with after the fact to explain away her purported commitment to O2 over O3 &#8211; that she would rather see Charlie try than not try to kick the football.</p>
<p>One theme that continually emerged was L&#8217;s insistence that C didn&#8217;t trust her, and C would feel bad, try to kick the ball and be disappointed again.</p>
<p>L&#8217;s one line I liked was &#8220;Never trust a woman&#8217;s tears&#8221;, as her explanation of why she wasn&#8217;t really committed to O2 over O3 or O2 over O1,</p>
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		<title>By: cjn</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2011 07:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can probably also be flowcharted if your a programmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can probably also be flowcharted if your a programmer.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek Sainani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhishek Sainani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite an interesting game Lucy plays. Also if Charlie refuses once, the game would be over because Lucy may not try again. I find it similar to Game Theory on being dumb. http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/01/26/game-theory-joke-on-being-dumb/ :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite an interesting game Lucy plays. Also if Charlie refuses once, the game would be over because Lucy may not try again. I find it similar to Game Theory on being dumb. <a href="http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/01/26/game-theory-joke-on-being-dumb/" rel="nofollow">http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2009/01/26/game-theory-joke-on-being-dumb/</a> <img src='http://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Brown Was A Blockhead &#171; Cheap Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Brown Was A Blockhead &#171; Cheap Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 25, 2009 in Uncategorized &#124; Tags: game theory, TV &#124; by jeff    Mind Your Decisions looks at the game theory of the classic Thanksgiving showdown between Lucy and Charlie [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 25, 2009 in Uncategorized | Tags: game theory, TV | by jeff    Mind Your Decisions looks at the game theory of the classic Thanksgiving showdown between Lucy and Charlie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RohoMech</title>
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		<dc:creator>RohoMech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, as Family Guy proved--ugh, why don&#039;t people just post normal clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbaGubfzSIc -- even violence probably won&#039;t help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, as Family Guy proved&#8211;ugh, why don&#8217;t people just post normal clips: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbaGubfzSIc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbaGubfzSIc</a> &#8212; even violence probably won&#8217;t help.</p>
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