The game theory of being a gentleman

At a cocktail party, I got up from the table to grab a finger sandwich.

My date said, “Oh, can you grab one for me?”

There were turkey and vegetarian options, so I asked, “Which one do you want?”

To which she smiled and replied, “Hmm, I don’t know.”

And there I was in the classic dilemma of trying to read a woman’s mind. I was expected to make this trivial choice which no doubt would have non-trivial consequences.

A true gentleman would know what to do, but that’s easier said than done. So I mulled over a few options before making a decision.

Option 1: flip a coin to decide

My first approach was logical. Surely if she had a preference, then she would have simply told me. Therefore she must have been indifferent, and that’s why she didn’t know.

If I took her literally, then it would be suitable to flip a coin to decide.

The most logical conclusion, however, is clearly the most foolish choice, for two reasons.

First, it is likely she did have a preference. When she said she didn’t know, she meant she expected me to know and figure it out.

Second, even if she truly were indifferent, flipping a coin seems cold and thoughtless. Even if I reasoned poorly and chose the wrong option, it at least would show that I gave it thought. And thought matters a lot in these kinds of things.

So all in all flipping a coin is a poor choice, and I came to the next conclusion.

Option 2: bring one vegetarian, one turkey

Like most guys, I felt I’d be safer if I took myself out the equation.

I thought: hey, I’ll just bring both for her and let her choose. I’ll take the one she doesn’t want.

Sound great, right? Of course, as every guy will tell you, this sounds better in theory than in practice.

We all know what actually happens. You bring both options and then she asks oh so innocently, “Thanks, which one do you want?”

It’s one of the many trick questions in life. On the one hand, it’s a grave mistake to admit you want one or the other. She might think your choice indicates one is better and she’ll press why you didn’t bring two of the “good” one. On the other hand, it’s even worse to say you don’t have a preference. She either won’t believe you, thinking you would have preferred one or the other, or she’ll spend several minutes deliberating.

If, eventually, she does pick first, and she truly loves what she picked, you’re still in trouble. Why? Because she might feel guilty that she took the one you wanted.

So again, a well-intentioned option, but it’s ultimately short-sighted.

Option 3: bring two vegetarian, two turkey

This is what I eventually went with, so let me explain why.

I figured this option had all the benefits of option 2 because she could pick either one she wanted.

But it had one advantage: the surplus of food meant she could pick either option without depriving me. Regardless of what she picked, there would be more of that same option for me.

Or, if she was truly undecided, she could try both and eat the one she wanted. And I’d still be able to eat what I wanted.

So I proceeded with this choice. I brought the plate to the table and she predictably said, “Thanks for bringing it. Which one do you want?”

I told her I brought two of each so she could pick either one without guilt. She was quite happy and took the vegetarian sandwich, and I felt relieved the decision worked out.

Of course, there was one clear downside to all of this. I was left with three sandwiches when all I really wanted was one. Since I’ve been raised not to waste food, I ended up scarfing down two extra finger sandwiches.

I was amused that after all that work, ultimately, I didn’t get what I wanted. But hey, like I said before, it’s not easy being a gentleman.



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  • Bryan

    You’re dating the wrong people. If I dated someone who wanted me to navigate the rocky waters of “read my mind”, There would only be one date. In the end I married someone who if she says “You choose” or “I don’t know”, she means it.

  • Jeremy Filliben

    Presh,

    What’s wrong with bringing back two of your preferred sandwich, and one of the other selection? This would result in less waste and still give your date a choice.

  • G. Pearson

    I’m with Bryan on this, to the point that I married a girl who doesn’t play those games. But that doesn’t make for a good column on game theory.

    You didn’t even discuss Option 4 – Bring two of what you like. You obviously get the one you wanted. There is no waste. If the date states that she really wanted one of the other type, then you can innocently claim that she stated no preference and therefor has no call to be upset. In this case, what’s good for the gander is good for the goose (mind games and sandwiches).

  • RohitT

    Seems like there’s another way to do Option 3: You could bring one sandwich of your choosing, then two more (one turkey / one veggie).

    At this point, you could do one of the following:
    Grab the sandwich of your preference, leaving her with both options OR set the plate down & excuse yourself for a moment, letting her pick.

  • http://www.mindyourdecisions.com/blog/ Presh Talwalkar

    Good question why I brought four instead of three: I was a bit undecided myself :)

  • jb

    You forget that in this instance you can influence the opinion.

    1. Assume that the preference she already holds is not a strong one (she would have stated a strong preference, e.g., “Vegetarian, I don’t eat turkey”)
    2. At the buffet table, make your own judgment about which option looks most enticing, and choose two of that option
    3. When presenting the options back to your date, tell her that you chose the best of the two options, that the other one didn’t look good, “I’ve heard this sandwich is fantastic…,” etc. as a way of influencing her decision. She will appreciate that you picked what you thought was the best of the two.

  • steve lucero

    the hardest part really is being a gentleman and act like one. you can be a gentleman but not act like one.

    that was a good one tom

  • Elais

    Yes. Bringing back 3 instead of four would have been the best solution. I agree with the comments to that effect.

  • JoeP

    I would have come back with a pizza from across the street! That shows you think outside the box and can be counted on to be spontaneous. Plus a pizza would have been way better, and you could have shared it with every else’s date too. A true gentlemen.

  • http://www.mindyourdecisions.com/blog/ Presh Talwalkar

    Nice suggestion JoeP. I see I am working with the master.

  • Not a Gentleman

    Take JoeP’s idea, but instead of pizza, bring back a cocktail. You get all the benefits without insulting the host (ie, pizza is better than your food) AND you get your date liquored up as well.

    Or, next time when she says, “could you grab one for me?”, reply “Yes”. Get one of each and return to your table. If she then forces you to pick one, select one while looking at her, showing that you care more about her than a sandwich. She’ll have nothing to complain about.

  • jon

    My date said, “Oh, can you grab one for me?” There were turkey and vegetarian options, so I asked, “Which one do you want?” To which she smiled and replied, “Hmm, I don’t know.”

    My response, “Oh. Well then, no I can’t”. And I got what I wanted.

    A gentleman is a man that lives off his assets. It’s got nothing to do with manners or etiquette. The gentry live off the income from their estates and so do not work. The Professional Class work and charge fees, but get to choose their own hours, barring certain events they are required to attend (appearance on stage, in court or on the pitch). That leaves the rest of us, the Working Class, who get to clock on and clock off, working the shifts our Professional Class managers proscribe for the business owned by the Gentry.

    None of this has to do with manners, or being whipped.

  • prakruthi

    I think you would have been better off if you helped her make the decision instead of getting a plate full of sandwiches and having to eat all the extras. Maybe you should do a post on the questions that you would probably ask her to figure out the one that she wants.

    And as has already been pointed out she does not have any strong preference against either of the sandwiches in any case. You would therefore not risk hurting any feelings.





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